Barry Bonds Haters?

Johnny in SoCal · **Joined:** Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:16 am **Posts:** 69

One word*

*Asterisk.

elf · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:49 pm

You know, I think I'm going to give the edge to Rose as well. Statistically there's no comparison between Bonds and Rose, but there's far more that Rose did that makes him the superior player to me. It's all in the intangibles, the same kind of sense of purpose that helped Kirk gibson win the MVP in 1988 despite his statistics being far from the best in the league. First and foremost was Rose's win-at-all-costs attitude. Rose played to win, while Bonds, at least in his last decade or so, has always looked like he plays to earn a fat paycheck. I've never seen a team-first attitude from Bonds. Rose also had an impact on his teammates far more than Bonds ever did. Rose's approach to the game could be infectious while Bonds has come across as the prototypical clubhouse loner.

Jooky · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:50 pm

Crunching stats doesn't mean anything. Any avid sports fan (of any sport) realizes the intricate nature of the game and knows that statistics aren't everything. That aside, who really cares? This thread is really a moot point. Those that hate Bonds won't accept any excuses, those that support him will spend their time arguing with people that can't be swayed. So, why don't we just switch gears to something people enjoy. Like the Cubs. It's our time baby.

elf · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:22 pm

Jooky wrote:

So, why don't we just switch gears to something people enjoy.Like the Cubs. It's our time baby.

Or we could talk about the minor league first base coach and former big-leaguer Mike Coolbaugh who was killed by a line drive to the head yesterday. I've listened to Vin Scully call Dodger games for over thirty years now and every time a batted ball comes close to a base coach he asks what it will take to get the coaches to wear helmets while on the field. I think we've just found out. Coolbaugh was only 35 so it's not like he was old with slow reflexes. It will be very interesting to watch tonight's games and see if any coaches are wearing helmets.

Though the Cubs are interesting too...

wlgolfpro · **Joined:** Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:16 am **Posts:** 168

servotron81 wrote:

your research is far superior to mine...
but Rose was still a better all around baseball player than Bonds...even if a layperson takes into consideration only offense...which is the only thing that matters to you...Rose still wins in batting average...and Rose kept his career going way longer than bond gimpy ass will ever play.

Not to mention the myriad postions that Rose played in the field. But I know that you dont think defense is important.

8 gold gloves to 2 gold gloves. I am guessing that Cal Ripken has to be one of the all time greatest if you believe Rose is. Ripken and Rose were most likely the best players of theiir time at their position. Bonds is most likely the best EVER, almost inarguably in the top 5 of all time. We are talking Mays, Ruth, etc when talking about Bonds.

Intangibles, obviously Rose is dominant. I cannot admit that Rose was a better defender, he wasn't. Bonds was clearly a very good outfielder for most of his career.

If I can try to be objective it would sound like this. Rose almost certainly did more with his god given ability than almost anyone ever in any sport. Bonds was born with more ability to play baseball than almost anyone in any sport.

jmiata · **Joined:** Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:12 am **Posts:** 84

I hate Barry Bonds and I was hoping he would not pass Hank Aaron, but I will admit he would have a seat at the same poker table as the all-time greats of the game. I also despise Pete Rose more than Bonds because I believe he was too much of a "me" guy. Look at "me" running out walks, look at "me" breaking all these records, look at "me" getting banned for life for betting on baseball. Oops, he probably didn't say that last one.

servotron81 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:25 pm **Posts:** 520

I really didn't this topic would last this long...because I figuerd that Bonds (probably the best bseball player of all time as some of you have declared) would have broken the HR record by now.

But he decided to have another slump accompanied by his usual girlish tantrums.

elf · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:54 pm

OK, our long national nightmare is over. Bonds finally hit the record breaker and now we can all go back to ignoring him.

MelloAceCV · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:27 pm

Now we can start A Rod's "Chasing Bonds" countdown.

Jooky · **Posted:** Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:01 pm

MelloAceCV wrote:

Now we can start A Rod's "Chasing Bonds" countdown.

Exactly.

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