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Never underestimate the stupidity of your opponents



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vookenmeister
 Post subject: Never underestimate the stupidity of your opponents
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:53 am 
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This happened last night in a $50+4 Double or Nothing 10 man 1 table tournament on Merge. Format is you play till 5 people bust out and the remaining players double their money (win $100).

Normally, it's a crime in any tourney to let yourselves blind down where you don't have any fold equity and dont gain much by doubling your stack. I usually have about 16-18 tables going or so and play like a robot. However... I had this game isolated in the corner of my screen (my other tourneys were all stacked) because the high dollar $50s rarely take off on Merge now <sigh>. Since I did I had noticed that a couple of the players were just making some awful plays (and there was a lot of chat going on). I play a ton so I know that usually a chatty player = a bad player. anyways, I actually had spent the past 15 or so hands getting dealt 6 or 7 high and so on and folding while I watched the other players continue to play pots (despite the fact I was very short). Normally I would just call an all in while I had 3BBs or so and just hope to get lucky the 30% or so of the time and double up. but I was clinging to a hope that a player would do something stupid and bust themself out.

And they didn't let me down!!!

If anybody wants to we can play a find the mistakes game. Take a look at the picture (hand history) below and see if you can count all the mistakes the players make. I count at least 7.

PS. lost my hard drive a week ago so I had little HEM history and I had it turned off on my temporary crappy laptop when this occurred.

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Merge)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 11, 11:48:44 ET 2012
Table 50 NL Holdem Double Up 10 Handed (58207102) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $1445.00 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 9, 3B: 9, AF: 1.0, Hands: 137
Seat 2: Hero ( $240.00 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 2.5, Hands: 11220
Seat 4: Player4 ( $4297.00 USD ) - VPIP: 49, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 43
Seat 5: Player5 ( $3853.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 899
Seat 6: Player6 ( $2868.00 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 11, 3B: 6, AF: 1.5, Hands: 452
Seat 9: Player9 ( $2297.00 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: 0.0, Hands: 43
Player1 posts ante of [$15.00 USD].
Hero posts ante of [$15.00 USD].
Player4 posts ante of [$15.00 USD].
Player5 posts ante of [$15.00 USD].
Player6 posts ante of [$15.00 USD].
Player9 posts ante of [$15.00 USD].
Player5 posts small blind [$200.00 USD].
Player6 posts big blind [$400.00 USD].** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Td 6s ]
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Hero folds
Player4 calls [$400.00 USD]
Player5 calls [$200.00 USD]
Player6 checks
** Dealing Flop ** [Qc] [9c] [2d]
Player5 bets [$860.00 USD]
Player6 folds
Player4 calls [$860.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [7s]
Player5 bets [$2578.00 USD]
Player4 calls [$2578.00 USD]
Player4 shows [Qh] [7c]
Player5 shows [2s] [Qs]
** Dealing River ** [8c]
Player4 wins $8166.00 USD from main pot

Player 5 loses and everybody else doubles up!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:30 am 
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when will the physical illness i am now experiencing pass?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:38 pm 
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PLO lessons for DoN lessons? Looks like I'm missing the boat :-)

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vookenmeister
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:06 pm 
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I'll snap call that offer. Let me do some generic reading of Hwang's book first.

By the way I'm writing a book on DoN Strategy. It's very complex.

Here's the outline. Each chapter is only about a paragraph long though.

Chapter 1) DoN Payouts - you double or you lose
Chapter 2) Level 1 Blinds- why you should just fold!
Chapter 3) Level 2 Blinds- why you should just fold!
Chapter 4) Level 3 Blinds- why you should just fold!
Chapter 5) Level 4 Blinds- maybe you should just fold!
Chapter 6) Level 5 Blinds- holy crap time to fold or open shove!
Chapter 7) Adding more tables (how to fold faster to play more tables)
Chapter 8 ) Advanced Concepts

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Great book!! Where can I buy a copy? ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:22 am 
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I don't play DON but you have 1/2 BB left. There's no reason for others to play a hand if they risk busting or being crippled.

Just check it down or fold pre-flop until you're in BB then everyone should call and try to bust you.

Shoving Q2 and calling with Q7, when you could be crippled are both terrible.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:45 am 
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AdRock wrote:
I don't play DON but you have 1/2 BB left. There's no reason for others to play a hand if they risk busting or being crippled.

Just check it down or fold pre-flop until you're in BB then everyone should call and try to bust you.

Shoving Q2 and calling with Q7, when you could be crippled are both terrible.


Yup. You covered 6 of the 7 mistakes right there.

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Pokerdogg
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:57 am 
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I can't think of anything else except button should raise with his big stack?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:17 am 
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no. 7 is they should never have joined a table with the famous vookenmeister present. It was a trick question

Naw... You guys got it all. Nobody should ever be betting here. This is a spot were you fold AA preflop and fold the nuts until the river

I'm still amazed at how badly this was played

It's weird. 50s are the highest runnin but some of the players areth worst I've seen. Dynamic is some solid regs, couple reg fish and some random horrible players

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oh.. and if anybody seriously wants to learn how to play DoNs this is the best link/guide out there.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/st ... ds-841555/

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