I sit at a game with $200 and proceed to get hit by the deck, and build my stack to about $2800 in a little less than 1.5 hours. The game gets huge, few people reload a dime, one guy buys 2 dimes. The players agree to a mississipi straddle, so the $5 is on the button pretty much every hand, and the $10 re-straddle on about half the time. V1 is on tilt. Asian guy, plays in a $10/$25 game sometimes, utterly fearless, aggro, but no dummy. This evening, however, I won a $3k pot from him a few orbits ago (we both turned the nuts but I was freerolling and got there) and he is spewing his latest dime buy-in, and is down to about $450 to start the hand. V2 is a young guy, first time I've played with him. My impression is that he's a good player, but doesn't have any money. He bought in when the stacks were already deep, and he only got $180. After setting up what I assume to be a loan or a stake (he was talking privately to the game runner), he is brought $1k. To start this hand, he has about $1400. On to the action:
I am on the button and have the $5 straddle, V2, directly to my right, has the $10 on. I have , and call the additional $5. V1 is in early position, and limps as well. When it comes back to V2, he raises $30 more, something he was doing quite frequently. I call, then V1 re-raises to $130, which to me really means nothing other than this tilty dude wanting to play a pot, so his range is huuuuge here. V2 also flats, which makes it a pretty attractive price with great implied odds in a deepstacked game, so I call the extra $100, which closes the action preflop.
Pot around $400
V1 disgustedly checks, V2 casually dumps about $500 in 5 crooked stacks of 4 green each. he did this very quickly, without studying whatsoever, and also overbet the pot, which I can choose to call down to the size of the pot. My options are to fold, call down to $400, call $500, or jam. I decide this hand is too big in this spot, and my having a 7 diminishes the likelyhood of him having top set, so I jam all in. V1 still looks like someone shot his dog, but shoves the last of his chips in. V2 snap calls.
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NH.
I don't like the preflop call at all, unless you know they are absolutely awful post-flop, which they may be. If you flop the NF, the action stops and you don't get a return. Your other cards are low crap that doesn't hit good two pairs or wraps very easily.
After you call and flop ~thenuts for your hand, it's an easy re-pot/ship.
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You're not actually that deep when you're facing the $100 call pre. I think that's a pretty loose call with that hand, but you have position. When you have a zillion outs twice, most of em nut, I don't think there's much of a decision.
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I agree with most of NPS's analysis. I fold this hand pre. You only have one nut flush suit and most of your straight draws will be non-nut. Having said that, you pretty much flopped bingo. An 13 card straight draw and a nut flush draw have got to be huge here- in fact, unless they actually are just completely spewing chips I doubt either of them have one of those sets. Even if they do you're hand is only a tiny dog. Given the action this is an easy jam. I'm looking forward to finding out how this hand concluded.
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Ditto. Calling the $5 is automatic. Calling the raise to $30 is marginal. Calling the extra $100 is a bad idea even if the guy is crazy loose. You have a pretty marginal hand and basically need to flop perfect like you did.
Post flop with $400 in the middle and $1300 stacks, this isn't deep stacked anymore. thus it's an easy shove even without top pair. You can't feel that great when both players call. But someone is probably in very thin with a non-nut flush draw.
Ditto. Calling the $5 is automatic. Calling the raise to $30 is marginal. Calling the extra $100 is a bad idea even if the guy is crazy loose. You have a pretty marginal hand and basically need to flop perfect like you did.
Post flop with $400 in the middle and $1300 stacks, this isn't deep stacked anymore. thus it's an easy shove even without top pair. You can't feel that great when both players call. But someone is probably in very thin with a non-nut flush draw.
Hope you caught your draw.
Yup. ^^^This. And changing your post from "Hope you caught your draw" to "Hope they missed all draws and you won with a pair of 7's" because that would be so much more fun
Thanks for the replies. I realize the flop pretty much played itself with the huge draw i flopped, my main concern is that I'm playing too loose preflop in position, and it looks like you guys think so too. Time to work on that leak. V2 did in fact have what he repped, set of 7's. I offered to run it twice for the side pot, he declined, I hit the straight on the turn, river paired the board, nh sir.
Wrap hands with flush possibilities like 6-7-8-9 and two pair connected hands like 6-6-7-7 that can flop sets, straights, straight draws, and flush draws. Also mid/high pocket pair hands with connectors like 8-9-T-T with suits, and Broadway's cards containing a suited ace like A-Q-J-T. Obviously re pot pre with decent A-A-x-x hands.
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