So just puzzling with this one after thinking about it wanted ya all to give me your opinion. I dont want the ethics and morals of it I just want your opinions on the quesiton at hand.

After a player goes all in if he rather quickly calls clock on the player deciding wether to call or not, do you think he is more likely to get called or less likely to get called, in so requesting the clock and putting pressure on the other player?

Thanks for your time.

My first instinct (which it seems right to go with in a post about calling the clock) is that a quick call of the clock is likely to piss off an opponent on a decision. So, if that person is going to get aggressive right then, it will probably generate a call. If that person, is going to sit back and target the player who called clock, it might induce a fold. But, I suspect in the heat of the moment a lot more players are likely to call then to fold -- and then rebuy and target the SOB who called the clock so fast.

Dave

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I agree with Dap. In addition, I think that the move of calling the clock so quickly will be perceived by the opponent as an aggressive move that is trying to push them OUT of the pot. When people feel someone is trying hard to push them in one direction, they often feel the urge to go in the opposite direction just to exercise their free will-- it's call psychological reactance.

Another decision-making theory is called prospect theory, and the idea behind that is that "losses loom larger than gains"-- meaning that we feel the prospect of losses as bigger (something that we really want to avoid) more than we value the prospect of a gain of similar size. The question is, is folding perceived as a "loss" or does calling invoke the sense of potential loss (i.e., the money we call-off)? On the one hand, folding allows a player to minimize potential losses, so the tradeoff might be good relative to possible gains. However, if one believes that they have a really good shot at winning the pot, perhaps they had already put a high probability on winning that pot, and that it's "theirs to loose" a fold might be seen as a big potential loss. In addition, they might be worried that they will lose face if they fold (especially if the Villain shows a bluff after the assholery of an immediate clock-call), and that loss of perceived face or prestige might loom quite large as well. If you call and win, that's huge. If you call and lose, you have the option not to show your cards, so you might not lose much face. However, if you fold and the Villain shows a bluff, that might FEEL like a huge loss to be avoided.

I agree with you guys and that's what I am getting at is in a real big pot when I have the nuts and the other guy has a lot behind is there an edge in pissing him off and calling clock. Wether it is a prick move or not isn't the debate, as I am not that type of player, however if I am gunning for someone who has pissed me off maybe I take that tact with him to induce a call. On the flip side another thing to be aware of in the big thouhgt procees of poker, I find that if I think it out ahead of time and come to the conclusions not in the heat of the moment I am far more prepared when they happen.

Keep in mind at some (not all casinos), the calling of clock somewhat early will be a decision made by the dealer as to if it is justified. The dealer will call the floor over, the floor will then ask the dealer if there has been significant time and the if the dealer says yes, the timer will start. I know this isn't the basis of your subject here but in certain places this could backfire on you.

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I totally understand talon and respect your opinion as I have played w u and been at your tables as a player, u r one of the best. I would be interested though to hear your take on the actual question posed, what effect do you think it would have if done and allowed?

I think it is situational and it still goes either way, too many variables come into play. Obviously, what does he have for cards, what does he put the other player on...then the personality comes along..what history has been established, etc...If you caught the other player in an "on-tilt mood", it would induce a call. If the player was mature enough to not let it effect him it might not sway his mind either way. So with all that debated it might induce a call in the right situation. Keep in mind of course, while it's not as big of a situation as the WSOP main event (remember when Tiffany Michelle did that?), it is certainly not something I would do from an etiquette point of view.

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totally hear what you are saying but there have been times at the table where I really didnt care what the guy I was against thought of me and in a situation like this you would be trying to felt a large stack and just leave. I am more curious on the perception so if anyone ever turns this one on me I will already have worked it out in my head.

Any time anyone does anything strange in a spot like this you have to figure they are angling for a call. However, now you've raised the issue, people reading this thread may go for a massive level and call an early clock when they're bluffing.

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