You never know people's true motivation for bet sizing. Also, keep in mind not to get hung up on the buy in size. $120 max is Extremely small buy in for a $1-$3 game. In fact, $300 would be normal buy of 100 big blinds, so a player losing $350 with AK v AA on K high flop is more STANDARD in my opinion than out of line. Remember to correlate big blinds with stack size and not weird California 40bb buy in rules for low limit. Great post Rob. Hope to see you again in Vegas soon!
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BentonBlakeman wrote:
You never know people's true motivation for bet sizing. Also, keep in mind not to get hung up on the buy in size. $120 max is Extremely small buy in for a $1-$3 game. In fact, $300 would be normal buy of 100 big blinds, so a player losing $350 with AK v AA on K high flop is more STANDARD in my opinion than out of line. Remember to correlate big blinds with stack size and not weird California 40bb buy in rules for low limit. Great post Rob. Hope to see you again in Vegas soon!
Thanks, Benton. One thing I'm starting to figure out a bit now that I'm moving to No Limit is how you have to adjust for the different conditions. Of course every table is different but different rooms, different rules and different basic clientele make for great differences and playing the same way won't work. The 1/3 game in L.A. plays so different than the 1/2 I play in Vegas it's almost a different game. And playing the 1/2 game at the Bike with a $60 max buy in was almost not even poker. It played worse than the worse 2/4 I'd ever been in in Vegas. I'd rather have root canal than play in that game again.
So I have to remember to adjust my thinking based on the actual game I'm playing on not on some nice theory if of how to play if everyone was playing the way they "should" and if the conditions at each game were identical. Lesson learned (or learning--it's a process).
I should be in Vegas month end for the Meet & Greet so I should see you then, right?
I wish. Unfortunately I have to miss it. It's my sons first birthday April 1st and the party is March 31st in Alabama. I plan on being around in May though for second AVPT event at Caesars.
Rob, I'm glad you posted this hand. When I read your blog post about this hand, I thought it honed in on a very interesting point about developing a NL game. We start out by learning "rules" like that it's not good to stack off with a one pair hand. These rules are kind of like training wheels. They keep us from getting hurt too bad while we get used to the feel of riding along in the game. I remember at one point being very frustrated about folding a lot of top pair/overpair type hands when I just couldn't keep the pot small and talking to a friend of mine about it. In particular, I was talking about how this one aggressive player was really frustrating me but that I couldn't ever get committed in a hand with him because the best I had was one pair. My friend looked at me and said, "I'd get committed in a pot with him with a lot worse then an overpair." I realized that learning not to stack off with one pair was only the first step. The next step was to learn when to stack off with one pair.
Yea it's AA for sure, otherwise it's another story about AK getting off light against AA hehe
I think there being the wierdness preflop about the reraise size opens the Villain's range a bit, but not a ton...he might have AJ or any pocket for example but he's not likely in there with a speculative hand like TJ or 67s. The Hero, who is happy with the way things went preflop, could have made more money against AK here and should have bet it down to do that...I don't think he could have won the hand at any point though. V will make the crying call against any bet here with the board so dry.
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missingflops wrote:
Rob, I'm glad you posted this hand. When I read your blog post about this hand, I thought it honed in on a very interesting point about developing a NL game. We start out by learning "rules" like that it's not good to stack off with a one pair hand. These rules are kind of like training wheels. They keep us from getting hurt too bad while we get used to the feel of riding along in the game. I remember at one point being very frustrated about folding a lot of top pair/overpair type hands when I just couldn't keep the pot small and talking to a friend of mine about it. In particular, I was talking about how this one aggressive player was really frustrating me but that I couldn't ever get committed in a hand with him because the best I had was one pair. My friend looked at me and said, "I'd get committed in a pot with him with a lot worse then an overpair." I realized that learning not to stack off with one pair was only the first step. The next step was to learn when to stack off with one pair.
That next step is a pretty long step.
No sh**!
Thanks and thanks for suggesting I post it, I got a lot out of the discussion
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