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King Kashue · **Joined:** Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:35 am **Posts:** 326

This is a hand from my stop at the Mirage on my trip last weekend. I'm not the Hero, but I was wondering if my take on what he did (and what I would have done) matches other folks. Both players tabled their hands, but I'm only going to reveal Hero's (obviously)

1-2 game, both players have stacks about $250.

Villain is UTG, leads out for $12. Mid-30ish, Villain has a won a big pot with 34h, and has been a relatively consistent c-better. Tends to cut and run on the turn if a strong bet is made into him.

Hero is in BB, calls the $12 to play heads up. Old guy, hasn't been at the table long, has played two real hands and has exposed the goods both times (most memorably flopped the top boat with KJ, bet and scared everyone off). Hero has [Jd]

Flop comes [Th]

. Hero checks, villain checks behind. Turn is [7s]

, H bets $6, V raises to $25, H re-raises to $50. V tanks a bit, maybe Hollywooding (or just watching Bama-Auburn), and goes all in after about 45 sec-minute. I'll save hero's actions and results.

I'm wondering what are you putting the villain on at this point and what's your move? ( I guess the two are essentially the same question)

Dap Poker · **Posted:** Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:04 pm

Well given that the villain is willing to mix it up and fairly consistently C-bets, I don't put him on the case 10 or an overpair. I think he leads with both of those since he is fairly active and would be looking to get paid. For the same reason I discount 3-3 and 7-7 for a boat.

So, I'm left with figuring what the villain would be willing to go all in with on that turn. I think he turned some sort of a draw and is pushing because the hero's check and tiny bet on the turn look weak and the min re-raise makes him think he can steal it. So, I'm left with [As]

-X of spades and [8s]

. Honestly, it feels like the [8s]

, so I call if I'm the hero, especially since we've got 1 of his jacks which means the other 3 give us a winning boat and the [Ts]

gives us quads, so we've got a few of his outs counterfeited.

Dave

vookenmeister · **Posted:** Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:56 am

Hero should fold preflop. As played hero should call. He really only trails A10. It's a weird way to play A10 unless he has A of spades. I would think he'd be flush draw on flop. So flushes are still possible but unlikely.

More info on villain would help. Would he play AA weird? It just seems like over cards with ace of spades happen enough to snap call. Barringore info I call pretty quickly due to all the combo Draws

Javanewt · **Joined:** Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:35 pm **Posts:** 506

That's a tough one with the info that villain usually cuts and runs on the turn to strength. As villain, with the min-raise I put Hero on a 10 or possibly a draw. Shoving after that is not cutting and running, so I think villain might have a stronger 10 or even better. In the heat of the moment, I don't think I can fold, but it's probably a good idea. I just so rarely see people shoving at 1-2 without a very good hand -- and he probably thinks you're never folding a 10 (most 1-2 players can't here).

BentonBlakeman · **Joined:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:09 pm **Posts:** 1631

vookenmeister wrote:

Hero should fold preflop. As played hero should call. He really only trails A10. It's a weird way to play A10 unless he has A of spades. I would think he'd be flush draw on flop. So flushes are still possible but unlikely.

More info on villain would help. Would he play AA weird? It just seems like over cards with ace of spades happen enough to snap call. Barringore info I call pretty quickly due to all the combo Draws

I think you misread the board in the original post Vook. I'm having a hard time following what your saying.

Krusherlaw · **Posted:** Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:05 am

I think V has the best hand here, probably 7-7.

I have no problem with H's pre flop call. I like H leading out on the turn but $6 is way to small. I hate H's three bet on the turn because it puts us in precisely this difficult position.

As played I think a fold is the right move.

BentonBlakeman · **Joined:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:09 pm **Posts:** 1631

Krusherlaw wrote:

I think V has the best hand here, probably 7-7.

I have no problem with H's pre flop call. I like H leading out on the turn but $6 is way to small. I hate H's three bet on the turn because it puts us in precisely this difficult position.

As played I think a fold is the right move.

I can't explain why any better than this, but I felt this exact way when I read the hand. The min reraise on the turn is so god awful.

vookenmeister · **Posted:** Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:51 am

BentonBlakeman wrote:

vookenmeister wrote:

Hero should fold preflop. As played hero should call. He really only trails A10. It's a weird way to play A10 unless he has A of spades. I would think he'd be flush draw on flop. So flushes are still possible but unlikely.

More info on villain would help. Would he play AA weird? It just seems like over cards with ace of spades happen enough to snap call. Barringore info I call pretty quickly due to all the combo Draws

I think you misread the board in the original post Vook. I'm having a hard time following what your saying.

YES I did. this is what happens you read and reply to strat posts on your iPhone on the way to work

I thought the board had three spades.

nevermind.

Did the villain give a noticeable shrug when he went all in? that would make me think 7-7. the problem with 77 though is that is the kind of hand that cbets the flop (according to OP's description of villain). so why didn't 77 bet the flop?

and yes the minraise by hero is bad.

I am still calling unless I am detecting one of those Caro-like pokercluck shrug tells. you know the ones where a villain acts all disappointed and then shoves. barring that I call.

the reason is 'cause villain could easily have AA (checked flop to get value later - I see it happen) or two overcard spades.

I think the way hero has played this he must get his chips in.

duckslaw · **Joined:** Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:01 am **Posts:** 53

How attentive is H? How attentive is V? Is H aware of V's past betting history, or is H oblivious? If H is paying attention, does V know H is paying attention?

If V is sort of the LAG type, or at least the C-bet type, then he should bet at this flop. The check makes me think he could have flopped something big, and doesn't want to scare H off a relatively dry board.

The hand has played out strangely, but from the safety of my desk chair, I think I can find a crying fold. Put me in the game though, and my foolishness might shine through...

Drewmutt · **Posted:** Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:45 pm

theres way too many hands that can beat us or outdraw us. Id have to look at it as ive still got app 60-70bb left to play and make money. You are not getting any type of odds to call and if youre behind youve only got 7 outs if he has 77 If hero thinks v has 77, theres no way u can call.

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