i'm in a silly mood to hijack today... from the URban Dictionary...
shizzle It has two meanings, 'Sure' and '[censored]'. It all depends on the way you say it.
Sure - 'Fo Shizzle' = For Sure, Definately
[censored] - 'That's The Shizzle' = That is good.
Irregardless(sic) of his play on the turn I think it is more interesting to discuss the flop play
LOL, irregardless (sic), arent you supoosed to be at work and not busy hijacking AVP threads?? LOLOL
I agree, flop is the spot to discuss, and I think based on preflop aggression over past hands we should always be c-betting this flop with our ENTIRE range. Assuming we have a hand like T-7 soooooooted, I'd cbet this flop and also make turn and river bets on face cards to fold out hands like 6-6, 8-8, etc on later streets.
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vook, i was not making a comment on your statement other than i found the use of shizzle so entertaining i ......
if we're going to quote urban dictionary, which is a totally legit reference for journalists these days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm30cepvMQA), i would like to quote the last sentence of the 1st definition of "irregardless":
"Of course everyone knows what you mean to say and only a pompous,rude [CENSORED] will correct you."
lolz
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I agree, flop is the spot to discuss, and I think based on preflop aggression over past hands we should always be c-betting this flop with our ENTIRE range. Assuming we have a hand like T-7 soooooooted, I'd cbet this flop and also make turn and river bets on face cards to fold out hands like 6-6, 8-8, etc on later streets.
I would agree with you if image was the most important factor. However, in this particular case we had level one players. Apart from tightening/loosening up vs their normal ranges, they still bet their own hands. I really did not want to fold out any two outer hands.
Against level two or higher players, I would agree to your suggestion and Vooks'.
For the same reasons you don't bluff a calling station, I think you don't want to scare away a level one player that actually has a potential big (but losing) hand.
But then again, I am but an amateur and could be absolutely wrong about this. I tend to depend highly on reads when playing brick and mortar LAG. Maybe I should take a more mathematical approach when LAGging... However, that approach always pushes me back into TAGging.
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fair enough. i don't think it's just level 2 thinking and balance. it's also about building a pot when you hit a hand without folding others out.
the question is how much a board like this going to help them on the turn that makes them bet all of a sudden? not much really. in fact some big overcards could kill the action completely whereas you might be able to get someone or both to call a cbet. So if the villains would call your flop bet with a wheel draw and/or overcards why not bet and get some money in? I can see checking if you think betting once on the flop will scare the villains away. if that is what you are saying, you know the villains best, then I agree.
so i agree it depends on the players. if the guy with 66 is someone who is going to view your check on the flop as weak and then go ape [censored] and get it all in on the turn with a pair of 66s (but might fold if you cbet the flop) then by all means check.
not sure i solved anything here. I was more thinking along the lines of how we can build a pot when we hit a big hand. and if your opponents expect you to cbet all the time then you should just cbet when you hit a hand as it really shows nothing about your hand.
perhaps the difference is calibre of play as you suggest. You know your home game best so if they are inclined to go and hang themselves like this I agree to give them the rope. I need to go play live more often. anybody want to buy a child or two or three or four?
_________________ - pls excuse my typos... I'm prob on my iPhone
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