1-2 NLHE at the local casino. Have been there about 2 hours, loose-aggressive table, many pre-flop raises being called, often in multiple spots. Effective stacks of $550(hero) with V being smaller, altho not by much, probably around $450.

Item of note: History between H and V, 1 hand earlier in the session...V makes it $6 to go, H calls OTB with A-10, flop is 10c-3x-3c, turn and river are small cards but river completes flush draw. V checked flop and turn, calling H's bets, but shoves river. H tanks for a few moments and makes a crying call, V shows 8-10, H wins with kicker. V says he hoped to scare me out with flush possibility.

On to the hand. 5 limpers including V(3 positions to H's right), H looks at KhKc OTB. Raise to $18. BB calls, V calls, 3 to the flop.

Flop is Qh-10h-5. Checks to H, who bets $35. BB and V call. Turn is 3c. Checks to H, who bets $105. BB folds, V thinks, then calls. River is 9h. V bets $125. What to do?

Thoughts on any streets welcome.

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Call getting 4:1. There is no fold here. I don't think I can shove here without a more specific read. Even if you don't max value it here, at least he's 3 on your right and you'll hopefully have another shot at the rest of his stack. While that is a copout for not having an answer most of the time, my answer here remains "call".

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I'm on my way out the door, so I don't have a lot of time to reply, but I like the way that you've played the hand so far. I might like a little heavier bet on the flop

I ship on the turn. The only hand that you're really afraid of is the nut flush. I can't see folding on the turn with the overpair, the gutterball, and the second nut hearts. If you call the turn, the V will only have around $170 left and you're never folding for that on the river.

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On the flop, I'd like to see you bet bigger; the pot is about $60, so $35 is just over half pot. I think I'd go more like $45 to $50 there. On turn, pot is around $130, so I like the $105 bet sizing. After 2 calls, I'm putting the villain on either A-Q with the to make his hand bluffable on the river or some kind of draw -- either open ended with K-J or J-9, or else a flush draw and I'm leaning toward the flush draw.

When the villain previously bluffed, it sounds like he put in a big overbet; here he is betting $125 into a $340 pot, that really smells like a value bet to me. Still, you are getting nearly 4 to 1 to call. So, if you believe that the villain is tricky enough to try to make a smaller bluff by firing what appears to be a "value bet", then you should call. If you think he is only going to fire big bets to bluff, but will value bet his flushes in this spot, then I can see making a laydown, especially since you've already shown you are willing to pick off his bluffs so he won't try to run you over in the future. But, not having that exact a read, I call this river. I expect to see the flush more often than not, but I also think there is enough chance that the villain is bluffing that the call is correct odds wise.

Dave

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If this is a call its a pretty darn thin one. The problem is that everything gets there and we just have a bluff catcher. Based on the fact that the Villain made a large bet as a bluff, it seems like this is more of a value bet. It could be a blocking bet with a top pair hand (which you beat) to keep from having to call a larger bet, but I think thats the best scenario we can hope for.

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I really see this as a push-or-fold situation. If we call on the turn, what do we do on a brick river, say or ? What do we do if we hit our straight or flush or trips? We aren't going to call $125 on the and then fold on the river when we're getting 720:200 or 3.6:1 on our money.

We can certainly make a sound argument for a fold, but I can't see just calling here. I think Push>=fold>>call.

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the 9H is the river...

i don't think it's that thin considering we're playing 1/2 against 108 herp-a-derp-river-shover, not that it has to be that thick getting ~4:1 (if we're talking thin on probability of being good here vs. +ev of making the call). he's "obviously" just trying bluffs tonight =).

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On the hand I agree with others that I would have be more on the turn, at least post sized, to take it down right then. Not knowing more about the V I couldn't see him calling with a draw unless he is steaming and try to recoup his prior loss which is okay by me at this point in the hand. You gave him a reason to chase and now you are in a sticky situation because of it.

I likely call here and take my medicine if he got there. I see RR88's logic which I almost always agree with but I don't know if he calls anything other than a better hand if you go all-in so why risk it. I can't see getting away from KK based on the limited information and hope he has QQ or another bluff.

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Nevermind everything I said. I misread and was thinking that the was the turn and we still had river action.

Given that, I agree with BB. Sorry, I told you I was posting in a hurry.

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Thanks for the input. This was a tough decision for me, with a decent pot, and the fact that I was nearly positive that he had the flush. However, I called his bet.

V shows Ah3h and says he almost folded the turn, but since he paired he felt he had extra outs to call.

I got a little sick....but that's poker. Next time I'll increase flop and turn bets tho.

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