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Turned the nut straight - how to maximize value?



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duckslaw
 Post subject: Turned the nut straight - how to maximize value?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:16 pm 
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.50/$1 home game. Fairly early on in the night, though most of these players are regulars. 10-handed.

I'm in the BB with [Qc] [Js] . It's limped by 7 players back to me. This is a bit unusual, since this crowd is pretty loose and likes to raise with speculative hands. But the crowd is also just generally loose, so while strange, this isn't a severe gut check moment. But odds are, someone is getting cute and sitting on a big hand.

I don't imagine that a raise here will do me any good, so I check my option. Flop comes [Kd] [Td] [4c] . SB checks. I check. Right move? I'm early position, so I'm thinking a feeler bet might just get eaten up by a big raise. UTG who is the lone short stack (having lost a big pot last hand to one of the pre-flop folders) bets $10 into the $8 pot. At this point, I'm pretty much done with the hand if it folds back to me. But...UTG+1 calls...UTG+3 calls...hijack calls, cutoff calls, button calls. Back to me. There's enough in there now to go fishing, right? I call. My stack is now ~$75

Turn is the lovely [9c] . Now I need to figure out how to maximize value. Relevant reads (if any):

UTG: short stack, steaming from a bad beat, has only $15 left.
UTG+1: Tricky regular who loves his draws, has ~$50.
UTG+3: Solid regular who doesn't get too much out of line. ~$60
Hijack: She's pretty irregular and inexperienced. I've seen her call down with middle pair and I've also seen her call down with A-high on a flush board and lose and not get it. But you never know what she's holding. A few hands ago, she hit a gutshot on the river and didn't realize it until she turned her hand up. Likes to call. ~$75.
Cutoff: Maniac regular. Plays any two cards and will pump it with nothing. His smooth call scares me, but it might be a float. ~$90
Button: New player, doesn't know what he's doing. Could have anything. ~$45.

So, I'm first action. How do I maximize here?

My thought was that I needed to make the flush draws pay. I knew UTG was going all in for his last $15, so that didn't matter. But I wanted some others to tag along for the ride. At the same time, I didn't want to see the board pair or another diamond to fall.

I went all-in. UTG called...as did UTG+1 and Cutoff. UTG+3 agonized a really long time before folding. The callers did it fairly quickly.

River bricked, and I scooped. Could I have gotten more had I played it differently?

Lastly, take a guess at what the callers had. You'd be surprised. I know I was. (Don't worry about UTG, he had trash and was steaming).


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I would check, let UTG bet his last $15 and then raise all in after everyone has called.

Pot to stack ratio is so small that going all in is a good option, too.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:32 pm 
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Just shove. It's a pot-sized bet which both prices out draws and will look suspicious in a home game inviting calls.

The CRAI knowing UTG will bet is OK for getting the money in the middle, but you give everyone the right price to draw. And it's possible UTG will give up and it checks around.

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vookenmeister
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irettep wrote:
I would check, let UTG bet his last $15 and then raise all in after everyone has called.

Pot to stack ratio is so small that going all in is a good option, too.



this. the stack sizes are so small. if u know UTG is putting in his $15 then let some people commit and then go over the top when it comes back around.

the draws are prob not going to fold if you shove all in regardless at this point. you want to keep the players who are drawing dead in the hand.

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Since we know that UTG is moving it in, I 100% agree with the others to check raise this turn, hoping you get one or two players calling his $15 shove and then folding to your shove. people with draws will call no matter what, but some players who would fold hand like KJ will feel like they have to call off now after putting $15 in since they have a straight draw along with top pair.
My guesses are that one player had a flush draw and the other had either KQ, KJ, QT, or JT. But based on the fact that you were surprised, I, guessing I'm WAYYYYYYY off, LOL.

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+1 for check-raise all in on the turn.


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