Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:43 pm Posts: 752 Location: Las Vegas
AlaskaGal wrote:
PH using promo fund money to guarantee tournaments isn't against the law. I think you will find other rooms do this as well. I can't speak for Jon but I don't think he would call for an AVP boycott of the room because they use promo money in this way. I'm not saying I agree with it or I like it but it wouldn't make me quit playing there. The games are soft and I like the vibe there.
I'm not suggesting a boycott by AVP collectively or by individual members. However when it is apparent that many here feel PH is at least guilty of questionable ethics specifically in terms of their tournaments, it seems to me that holding an official AVP event in one of the tournaments that is causing the controversy is problematic. Specifically it looks to me like a tacit endorsement of a policy (funding overlay through cash-game jackpot drop) which many of us find odious.
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:43 pm Posts: 752 Location: Las Vegas
AdRock wrote:
TheGameKat wrote:
Given the controversy surrounding Planet Hollywood's tournaments on these boards I think it's extremely poor judgement to include PH in this series of events.
Just catching up on the PH tournament discussion.
I'm of split mind on this. I don't think AVP should be "promoting" a tournament or a room that has some controversy and I'd say questionable ethics around it.
On the other hand if you avoid all the rooms that people have a gripe with and all the tournaments that are crap shoots, it's a very, very short list of rooms to play.
True, but by avoiding the worst of such rooms you might actually create an environment in which the list of rooms is less short.
I love the idea !! I am only able to come to Las Vegas once a year, but now I will be able to meet of the lot of the AVP members in the best setting possible - at the poker table. Since the list will include a number of different venues, I can avoid PH. I am really looking forward to my next visit and this makes it that much more anticipated.
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TheGameKat wrote:
AlaskaGal wrote:
PH using promo fund money to guarantee tournaments isn't against the law. I think you will find other rooms do this as well. I can't speak for Jon but I don't think he would call for an AVP boycott of the room because they use promo money in this way. I'm not saying I agree with it or I like it but it wouldn't make me quit playing there. The games are soft and I like the vibe there.
I'm not suggesting a boycott by AVP collectively or by individual members. However when it is apparent that many here feel PH is at least guilty of questionable ethics specifically in terms of their tournaments, it seems to me that holding an official AVP event in one of the tournaments that is causing the controversy is problematic. Specifically it looks to me like a tacit endorsement of a policy (funding overlay through cash-game jackpot drop) which many of us find odious.
Joined: Thu May 05, 2011 2:36 am Posts: 647 Location: Las Vegas, NV
This is news to me, and I somewhat agree with AlaskaGal about this PROBABLY not being too uncommon....whether I agree with it personally or not. IMHO, as long as it is stated within the published rules, it's OK...just like anything.
With this being said, the purpose of our Weekly Showdown events is to give AVPers a chance to meet up more often, play in tourneys together, and visit casinos that they maybe otherwise wouldn't. If people don't want to play at PH, then we will change this event. I'll leave this up to the AVP community....so please chime in here to give your thoughts, and we will determine if everyone as a community would like to change venues.
But let me emphasize that before taking sides on whether PH is doing anything right or wrong, please learn about what other casinos do with their jackpot money, and what is published in their rules. Too many people hear something like this, and then boycott a room because others are doing so...but don't realize that that particular room is doing anything different from many other rooms.
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Joined: Thu May 05, 2011 2:36 am Posts: 647 Location: Las Vegas, NV
GaminDeBuci wrote:
I love the idea !! I am only able to come to Las Vegas once a year, but now I will be able to meet of the lot of the AVP members in the best setting possible - at the poker table. Since the list will include a number of different venues, I can avoid PH. I am really looking forward to my next visit and this makes it that much more anticipated.
Perfect!!! This was a key point of our brainstorming discussion as to why these events will be so fun. Glad to hear, and looking forward to meeting you.
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This is a great idea...I only wish I lived in LV. But when I do come to LV I know I'll have the weekly AVP on my list of tourneys to play.
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Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:30 pm Posts: 334 Location: Las Vegas, NV
TheGameKat wrote:
Given the controversy surrounding Planet Hollywood's tournaments on these boards I think it's extremely poor judgement to include PH in this series of events.
Yeah, but, according to the PH gripe/thread...the cash players are the ones (allegedly) paying for the tourney promo funds. So a tourney is +EV @ Planet Hollywood. I'm in
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